[...6.5s]Welcome [...0.6s] to the inaugural episode of [...0.4s] The View from Vertex. This is Day 1, week 1, [...0.4s] ground Zero. Um, on this podcast, we're gonna be speaking to [...0.4s] scaffolding industry professionals, the movers and shakers shaping the construction industry, as well as entrepreneurs, sportsmen and women and people with story to tell.That leads me to my first two guests. And whenever you start [...0.4s] a new venture in life, you tend to start with the people, you know, the best, the people closest to you, [...0.8s] your friends and your family.I'm lucky enough to be a account Zack [...0.7s] in both of those two camps. Zach is [...0.5s] the nephew [...0.6s] of my best friend Frankie. He's unlucky enough to have known me his entire life. Um, he's a scaffolder, [...0.4s] he's a boarding property entrepreneur. He's also [...0.4s] a white collar boxer [...1.0s] and [...0.6s] usually is sniper. We've got Paul. Paul's gonna be organising the event that Zach's boxing on. Paul, something of a local hero.He's [...0.8s] a [...1.1s] ambulance first responder volunteer, also an ex serviceman [...0.5s] with the same regiment as Zach. He was a specialist machine gunner drummer. He's a local entrepreneur with three successful businesses to his name.Genuinely a great person to be around. Um, follow those yet, [...0.5s] and a lot of great, [...0.4s] great stories to tell. Um, so in true podcast fashion, I hope that everybody's listening and if you are tell fucking everybody, [...0.7s] gents, welcome to the podcast [...0.6s] Zack. How's things?Very good, mate. Very good pleasure to be on. It's, uh, it's great to have you. It's also, you know, I'm gonna have to thank you in advance because you didn't really know much about this. [...2.9s] So, uh, for anybody who doesn't know, I [...0.4s] rang Zach this morning, [...0.7s] uh, on the way here.And I was always gonna be recording the first episode, [...0.4s] and [...0.6s] I was like, gonna speak about, I'm gonna speak to, you know, it's probably just gonna be a bit of an inshore thought.This is just gonna sound shit. I need a guest, I need someone to be on there. Um, [...0.5s] Zack's one of those people [...0.7s] you ask him, and he just says yes and worries about the consequences later. Um, [...0.5s] I probably can't myself in that camp as well, but, you know, I can't thank me enough for coming on.Um, [...0.4s] Paul, [...1.9s] Paul also got ambushed, [...13.6s] um, and the person who's organised the adventure stop, so I can spin the room as well. Um, Paul, [...0.7s] uh, great to have you on.Thanks for being here, it's a pleasure. Um, I think we'll probably start with, you know, the podcast, if you don't mind, I'll start [...0.6s] with you, um, since, you know, your military experience from what we were speaking about this morning.Apparently, Trump sacks, because, ha ha, you're a specialist machine gunner, um, drummer. What, what was it that LED you to the, the military? Um, my dad was an exo, [...0.8s] uh, artillery guy, uh, he [...0.8s] was brought up in there on camp, uh, in the military, so I just thought of following his footsteps.At the time I was only 16, a boy soldier, [...0.7s] so, uh, I decided to join up and, uh uh, the fusel is, was calling, and that's where I ended up.So was your, was your dad in the same regiment as you? No, he was artillery. It was a, it was a, well, I tell you when you say on camp, yeah, it was a bad brat, uh, in Germany, so Intrust where it was based. Uh, and that's where, you know, [...0.4s] most of the youngest young life was brought up in.Yeah, so, I mean, to take it back to the scaffolding thing, um, [...0.6s] I actually worked in Padaborne [...0.5s] for about, um, [...0.6s] about 6 months. I was over, over in padaborne, uh, wasn't allowed in any of the local bars, pubs, rest. Nobody wanted this because they thought we were squatties.Yeah, so they carried a bit of a reputation, but, um you know, some, some great, great books over there that we end up actually going on the, uh, on the junction of that. Yeah yeah, yeah, [...1.5s] many of [...18.2s] service active service, [...0.5s] yeah um, did the two operational tours.Um, we did the first, uh, war in Bosnia, uh, and [...0.6s] the second, well, the first war in, uh, [...0.4s] Kosovo, Pristina, when it was just kicking off. Um, we did six months active service there [...0.4s] in both, uh huh, [...0.4s] places. And [...0.6s] how long in total [...1.0s] in the, uh, in the future list? Eight years, I had served eight years.Yeah yeah, that's a, a bit of a journey, kind of, from, [...0.4s] yeah, from bit joining at 16, um, from being, you know, in a, in a war zone at 18, on your 18th birthday, uh, pissing down the rain, pulling cop cars over. Cause I just shot someone, and, you know, there's no law in order that I don't know how.So well, sweet. We was, uh, [...0.4s] trying to bring, uh you know, carbonates up, uh, [...0.5s] s k 4, cos, 4, 4, [...0.5s] s 4 was a, [...1.5s] so, yeah, it was a it was a, it was eye opening. So [...0.5s] Zach, [...0.5s] um, [...1.0s] your story [...0.8s] coming into the military, so, [...0.5s] yeah, going into military, pretty much same as Paul Dad was in the army.Um, stories had a natural interest in it, and then, um, applied to go in [...1.4s] and just before May 18th got a bit trouble with the law. So, yeah, we know about that. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha.You keeping that a secret or telling us a lie [...0.4s] for some of them. And it's part of us growing up fighting, and stuff. And then, mmm, so I had to sort not, like, on the edge then, so everyone scaffolding for a bit.So, mmm, I thought sort of, under my belt got learnt my trade. And then, uh, one of my mates Connor rang me, and was like, mate reply now it's time to, so [...0.5s] jump straight back into it.And [...0.5s] that was me, I thought I thought to catch it, yeah, phase 1 and 2, [...0.5s] but, like, top student soldier, soldier, one of your walls in there [...0.8s] straight [...0.4s] got to the battalion. And then, um, [...1.1s] yeah cause one of my mates was in [...0.4s] snipers anyway.Connor, yeah, he was like, yeah, just make the joint man, you know come across. So, [...0.5s] yeah, little Red House went knocking on massage and stalls, like, what about snipers? He was like, yeah, already. And he's like, do it, mate.You got to do two years yet before you can go to over to. Um, see, I've heard this from a lot of um, [...0.4s] a lot of people have been in the ocean all the rest of it. And I think I think I read it in, um, [...0.7s] Middleton's book.I think it was I think a lot of the time, you know the senior sort of often people in charge.So I say that don't, you know don't get ideas above your station, [...1.1s] partially to, you know um so I slap you down a little bit, but sometimes I like, rock it under your ass, yeah, you know to make you want it a little bit more. Cause when you go over to W company, [...0.8s] she's lazy support company.So the, is like the senior company, so they are looking for people have been about a bit, probably do like a couple overseas exercise or back in the day at all.Some say is then you're like [...0.4s] some parlors specialized roles. You're not just an infantry soldier, you know you go and do your cycle course, your water course, your javelin. And so it's [...0.4s] a role and then you go specialise within that role.So [...0.9s] when you pass out really, [...0.6s] yeah, yeah yeah, weaponry and tactics and stuff, I suppose it's like what the [...0.4s] Americans are, you know in college, like, you major, so, like, you know whatever you are first and foremost.Yeah, so it's quite fortunate. I only had sort of friends in the box with that. Hmm, so, yeah, and then, um, they sort of got me on. I said, right, you know you passed the precourse, [...0.6s] which is arguably just as hard as the sort, yeah, in a few layers.Anyway, cause at the time I sort of came just [...0.5s] after the tour while I got back off tour and the, the team was solid. It was absolutely best between the battalion. Hmm, um it's a lot of good characters in there, and stuff, we'll touch on later.And yes, I'm myself fortunate enough to get on [...0.4s] the, the pre selection which was, like, in an eight week course. I could be up for it and then pass that.And then, yeah, then you then you go to continuation training to spend a bit more time in the platoon, get bedded in, and stuff and then do all your shooting stuff. And then you went down onto, [...0.6s] uh, Sniper Cada down in Breck, uh, Bria Breckham [...0.7s] and came top on that as well.It should probably noted as well while we while we speaking like this. You were, [...0.8s] kind of didn't just start there, did it? So you had, like, a, obviously with your dad being in and all the rest of it, you sort of exposed it quite early in the, um, cadets.Yeah, yeah yeah, I did the cadets, uh, [...0.5s] obvious. I'm guessing that that's gonna played into the [...0.7s] reason why you made the decision to, to join, you know the, yeah, you know the full service.What skills you think you learn in [...0.4s] that part of your life? What, what what could I transfer from the cadets over to the military?Yeah, so I'd say stuff like discipline, being able to iron a set of uniform, getting away, going on camps and stuff and the sort of. That curriculum [...0.4s] is based around like [...0.7s] safe [...0.7s] phase 1.Yeah, you know you're out in the field, you learn how to put lashes on [...1.0s] and how to shoot. So it's all transferable skills. Also, when you go in the army, I won't start coming off about [...1.4s] the part of the thing is that fucking [...0.9s] scaffolding got in the way, ha ha.Really [...0.7s] in a sense [...0.4s] not to downplay the trade because obviously, you know that's, that's my battle and that's my trade and everything, [...0.5s] you know I've met some brilliant people throughout and, you know really good sort of role models, mentors and stuff like that through [...0.6s] a lot of them actually ex servicemen and themselves, [...0.6s] and they seem to be [...0.8s] quite a lot of, yeah, it's [...0.4s] nice, as you say, transferable skills and [...0.5s] it's a certain type of people you might call a risk takers.I don't know, yeah, um but yeah, it does sort of draw from them people, you know people from those kind of backgrounds.Yeah. Paul [...0.6s] with your military experience was it, [...0.4s] I'm guessing it's kind of similar for you because you were supposed to be so young. Did you do anything like cadets or, yeah, in my story is that the same exact, to be fair, I don't even know he was in the cadets.I was in the cadets as well. Um, my dad was my dad ran the local, uh, cadets attachment. Um, um and I had to tell me cadets.Yeah, do you think that's something that is sort of imparted on you as well? Your dad, like, [...0.4s] um you know you running things, obviously, you, you're organising this, this boxing event. Um, I probably should have mentioned an intro as well.You, [...0.4s] you know pause the chair, [...0.6s] uh, is it the chair, chairman of the, uh, yeah it's the fails of branch of the Royal British Legion, yeah, chairman of the Royal British Legion branch. And we've not had a branch of fails of 45 years, so it's good to, you know get it off, off the ground.Um, with Zach [...0.7s] and a couple of, of that time he lads, um, Chris was, um, Lorraine and Sam, they're all part of come here. Um, we've been up and running out for two months. Um, we get a good following, I think most about hundred and twenty members so far as well.Well, that's fucking impressive, [...0.4s] ain't it? Yeah, so, you know that, that soon instead of journey, [...0.6s] would, would you say that an element of that sort of organisational stuff? Obviously, it's come from the military and everything, but, [...0.6s] um, was it something that your mum may be imparted onto that the, uh, the organisational aspects of things?Yeah, definitely. Um, obviously, it coming from military background when my dad and all that was quite disappointed as kids, um, brought up [...0.7s] probably sound like a, in a military [...0.7s] household.You know you know I was about to make sure our beds were tired and made, and, you know they have much better breakfast before breakfast then.Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, me training is always been part of my life. I've always been fit lad. Yeah, um you know used to run for the school, used to play football before the school and stuff like that.So, yeah, yeah so, you know it's like a it's obviously, it's clear why the two you two like, gel them, kind of fold the bond. It's like, almost, like [...0.8s] the same you know exactly the same story. Yeah, you know same sort of sports a lot a lot of, uh, military lads.I would say [...0.7s] we've got, got the same story on your dad's ex military, or she's just natural interest in it.Yeah, [...0.5s] and the ban the ban is still saying no matter how [...1.3s] long you don't know, whatever, I still say the piss out of him. Yeah, yeah, we were saying a fair, won't we? Um, I'm one of these fucking annoying [...0.5s] asshole who's gonna turn up.I was, [...0.6s] you know you know some people say it, like, they probably never even fucking, you know went down there into the, you know the [...0.4s] armed forces.Grey's office got as far as, like, talking about basic training when it's gonna happen, all the rest of it. I did a bottle. It did scaffolding get in the way with me. I don't know. Um, it's definitely something. He's one of those things that knows [...1.9s] that [...1.5s] your face [...6.5s] fighting for any structure imagination. Yeah, I still long for it.Yeah, so it's [...1.0s] just probably to both of you this. Do you think that's, I've just done an inbuilt [...0.6s] thing? This inherits as just men in general.Yeah, [...0.4s] it's called, like, hero syndrome. Oh, there's a fucking name for it. Heroes are gone then Zach, what's hero syndrome, I forgot it [...0.4s] just like the rough out sketches.Just like, I think it's like your natural instinct to be a protector in it. And then, yeah, obviously, yeah, yeah, definitely, [...0.6s] yeah, and then obviously, you know you go with that. And I remember you, you you pal, uh, Connor, uh, mentioned.I think maybe it was like a Ted talk or something that you watched about. You know how almost like [...0.4s] you kind of indoctrinating to, but like a lot of what you see in the media, a lot of the way it's portrayed everything.It's like it's tapping into that inherit sort of [...0.6s] in built need to [...4.9s] in that sort of yeah it's just like that, it's like even all that the World War 2 posters for your country needs you like that, mmm, [...0.5s] it's happening to something. It's in very within us.Yeah, yeah, [...1.5s] um so how, when you when you left how did you find the transition into sorts of your street?Quite, quite, quite easy man. You know, I'm I've always been an actual duo. Uh, and I, you know, whatever I want I achieve, I always believe in, um, whatever you give, the universe has to give you back your fold. Um, yeah, uh doing what I do, uh, in the community and stuff like that. Uh, I believe this made me successful as what I am today.Hmm, see, [...0.4s] when we were reading the intro out when we were reading the intro I was like, [...0.8s] I can't believe that he's like, he's an ambulance first responder, [...0.6s] is, you know, there's a chair, the Royal British Legion. I'm reading this fucking resume out of my, when does this guy sleep?Do you know what I mean? When does this guy sleep? Yeah, um, just a, you know, massive listen, I say, uh, Bourne do it by the sounds of it, I'm just trying to stretch my leg out. I got bit of cramp, ha ha, ha ha.Yeah, so it's first, you know, I thought [...0.4s] we've mentioned it so far, what these two have been fucking [...0.5s] knocking alls out of each other, preparing for this event with her. Yeah, yeah, I wanna bang them out. Ha ha ha, [...0.4s] is there any truth in this? We don't, we're not supposed to talk about spider stories.Go on, [...0.4s] ha ha. Last time we had a spider ended up in a cast. [...4.9s] That's what, that's what we call white belt trash.This is what white belt trash. [...2.3s] I mean, I'm not a box of natural [...0.5s] anime. I've been doing that for the last 20, 20 odd years, [...0.6s] Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Uh, I've had quite a few fights. How many fights in the, in the Octagon um, [...0.4s] and, uh, I don't, you know, I've give it [...0.4s] every money that I raise.I've always give it to charity as well, um, I've not took a penny from it, you know, broken bones, um, [...0.5s] just to go just to go into this last camp now, um, I built [...0.4s] this hand I built this hand twice and I've ruptured the distal bicep, uh, in the last year.Now [...0.4s] fucking hell, I'm still going I'm still going yeah fucking you forward man. What the [...1.5s] fuck [...0.7s] is this? [...1.7s] What we call cauliflower is, yeah, I don't know where the camera's gonna pick this up. But is it this one is it this one is this one yeah how do [...2.8s] you do that? Yeah, [...6.9s] takes a big set of colonies.Yeah, it does, so the event we've, we've got coming up. We're talking about transition, [...0.6s] uh, since leaving the military. Sports obviously [...0.4s] played [...0.5s] a big role in that for both of you. It sounds like keeping you focused, keeping you sharp, and all the rest of it. Luckily, we have the power of editing.Sarah's got to work out for a [...0.4s] sport. Um, what, what you do is keep your mind sort of sharp and focused.Yeah, so sports, like I say it's always been, my dad was quite rigid with it too fair growing up, so [...0.5s] had to do cry when he was younger, I had to, but he always, you know, made sure that he was sort of keeping ourselves occupied with something, so [...0.5s] did cry when he was a kid. Crack, then the crack ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, [...0.6s] ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha.Then I, um then I was just on a Rugby pitch end from, yeah, being told [...0.4s] on the tens, I think right away through to [...0.8s] last year or last about two years ago, yeah, had a bit of a dodgy knee injury.It definitely keeps you, uh, I always found people who've been obviously in the military and been involved in sports, you know, like Sarah's brother Joe, he used to, um, play for Manchester Magic. You know, yourself playing, playing Rugby, um, Milchelle, a lot of lads and all been in football teams and all the rest of it.He always seems to have a really big social network, yeah, yeah, which I think really, kinda, yeah, definitely that, you know, helps I've been in being in a team as well. It's not sort of bigger than yourself.I think, I think every kid should sort of, um, try and do sports or get gay kids involved in sports or [...1.2s] anything, don't have to be sport, [...0.4s] yes or anything.I think [...0.5s] it's very important, definitely some lessons there, and if, yeah, later I can show you in life. You know, you've got to train your hardest and get beat up. You need to feel that, yeah, you need to train your hardest and win.You know what [...0.4s] I think. So many kids now are just short of a [...0.6s] sounds horrible to say, but a bit of a fucking ass whooping. Do you know what I mean? And I don't mean that necessarily physical sense, but they just need to, like, say know what it feels like [...0.4s] to not win. Yeah, you know what I mean, because that's fucking what makes you better.Yeah, definitely that's what drives you on drive your phone short sometimes, and you don't wear.So we'll talk about business now, and I'll probably start with again with Paul, obviously, you know, you got [...0.4s] three [...0.4s] businesses in your, sort of, portfolio and [...0.7s] did you always know that you were gonna start a business when you left military?Yeah, again, uh, following on the story, um, my dad was a locksmith, um, so when I came when I came out I just want to work for my dad, [...0.8s] um, cause it's not natural progression for me to, uh, leave, um, [...0.7s] businessman.Um, he closed his business town had so much time my own, [...0.6s] uh, which LED on to over, you know, over starting over companies and being successful. And, you know, the business is doing quite well.Well, all three of them are doing quite well now, and then we're still busy, so three, so, um, the locksmith one we've got, um, you're the, you're the two businesses, yeah, so, um, we've got Cyro Services Oldham [...0.4s] limited, Cyro Services [...0.8s] Belsworth, and we've got Cyro Event and Medical Services.What's Cyro was [...1.6s] Cyros? Uh, [...0.6s] I chose that name because of a [...0.4s] big fan of Superman, [...0.4s] right, okay, Cyro, Cyros dog, [...0.6s] I see man's dog was Cyril. [...1.2s]There's no real meaning for it, I just, I can't call it see if man locks me, so called it Cyril. It's a, [...0.5s] is it, what is, what do you do? Is it construction base? Is it [...0.4s] no lots of fish? So basically, [...0.5s] yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah a lot of mine.Probably people want, want me now, for this is lot of court warrants, you know, breaking these people's houses [...0.4s] under the warrant, and executing gas and electricity warrants and repossessions and stuff like that.Unfortunately, I'm the bad lad, so I guess the fucking anime training, [...0.6s] yeah, definitely comes in under. Yeah, you [...1.3s] know you know in that kind of game, you don't want to want some shrinking violets turning up at you.No, I mean, at the end of the day, we'll all Smith, not security or anything like that, although other people [...0.4s] think we are. You know, I don't intend to, you know, a little bit obviously touching back on the army.It's about conflict control and stuff like that. How you speak to people, how you would like to be spoken to and stuff like that. I never really get anything into an argument, so I never get any beef or anything, like, I speak to people how I'd like to be spoken to.And I'm always calm collective, and, you know, I can always diffuse the situation. You know, the the toughest people I know [...1.1s] are the, [...0.7s] probably the, the gentleman, you know what I mean. They tend to be the people that don't wanna get into a tangle.No, um, probably cause they know, no they can, and [...0.4s] probably also know the consequences of what can happen if things [...0.6s] don't go according to plan.Uh, Zach, your business is, I mean, you you, you've now started, uh, [...1.0s] a property, um, yeah, yeah Precision Properties. Um, obviously getting the name from the, uh yeah, from the sniping background makes sense, makes sense. What was the name again? Precision Properties. Precision Precision [...0.4s] was you pissed position president in the shooting. [...2.3s]Well, so you get a badge. [...3.5s] Yeah, yeah, so so coming out the army, I knew I said put so much into being [...0.6s] a sniper and stuff and all that.And I just really didn't fancy going back to scaffolding. Um, you know potentially working somewhere else. I knew it's good money and all that stuff. And, but, you know, my heart really wasn't there. I can do it and I'm confident at it.So, [...0.5s] um, [...0.6s] but, yeah, I just so wanted to go into some of my own work for myself. Um, [...0.8s] it's something that's gonna sort, you know, generate a better wealth and, yeah, something that you can sort pass on to your kids and all that stuff. I'm kinda getting to the age now. I'm 30 years old now.So I'm kind of, um, by the way to say that you're doing this by 30 is fucking impressive.Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. I hear a lot of lads, you know, you're raising to go, you know, I'm 30 now, and you think fuck me. Yeah, ah, you know and I'm only eight years old and you know what I mean? 38. Um, and I remember feeling like I had 30, that fucking hell, I needed it.But [...0.5s] the fact that you're doing what you're doing now by 30 is, [...0.4s] yeah, commendable.It's impressive. And, [...0.4s] you know, we've talked to Ninja, didn't we? [...1.0s] About resume and all the, you know, the things you've had it done and achieved already. You fly mate, [...0.8s] and still bags of time to get things wrong, get things right. That's it.I think now sort of come out of an environment where I was working with, [...0.4s] you know, the best of the best and [...0.8s] just having that them guidelines. I say that when he was at vertex, he was working with the worst of the worst.No, no, no not at all. No. But I mean going from like a sniper between where every man is accountable and, yeah, you're in sort of like but every man's just a trusted bloke and you've got all that around you. I was like, well, I'm gonna keep this mentality now and just apply it on city street.And rather than working for somebody else, why not just set something up on myself? Do you know what I mean? I've got a bit of a payout for my injury.Yeah, [...0.5s] my dad got a bit of money, he's willing to investigate. So well, let's just make it happen, let's go for it, [...0.6s] let's see where we can take it. As I said, you, you, you're a doer. You always have been a doer, and [...0.8s] it's what I'm like, [...0.9s] not that anyone fucking goes out and plans to fail.And all the rest of they still bags the time to learn on the job and get things right get things wrong what sort of been a blessing as well from the army is, like, it's very course orientated, so, it's like, [...0.8s] no, we should go on some blocks to do like a radio course, and then they come back and [...0.4s] teach.Every money or would send someone and go and try chance some new weapons, you know, come back and give feedback. So, you know, since leaving the army, I've spent just shot 10 grand on courses doing, [...0.5s] you know, doing like when I've done the property course before I was still in the army.Yeah, so I paid that off my own back, no, down at, um, property circle with, um, [...1.2s] Steven Amber, and he's really good brilliant. Um, and through there met a guy called Jack, paid for some mentorship with him. That's gonna be a sort of six months, that's gonna get me through the next bit.You know, Jack's really good at what he does. That's when he's saying to say fans with him. And then [...0.5s] on top of that coming out the army and with, like, the mental health side of it, not seemed like struggling bad with it.But I had certain stuff going on, hmm, which can touch on later. And then, you know, I invested a bit of money with a guy called Matt Rhodes who just had to kill Brotherhood.Yeah, I know he's interested about that. Yeah, and [...0.7s] yes, you know, I've invested [...0.4s] quite a lot of money myself, cause I know that once you get this, this right, yeah, then you, then you can go and pursue what you need to do. You know, you got to get, give yourself the right tools to go, and so I'll attack you.I don't follow you there, I don't get it, like, what do properties like, yeah, but where does that start? What does that entail?Yeah, who do you need to make connections with? Where do you need to put your money? You know, how do you source of a property? How do you, you know ins and outs of property?You know, [...0.5s] so many people don't do that, by the way, just, you know, like the investment [...0.4s] in themselves like invest in yourself what what, what have you got? You gonna work somebody else.If they've got the investment for you, they're gonna, [...0.4s] you know, if you, if you can go and earn 40 grand a year scaffolding, how much are they making? Yeah, yeah, [...0.4s] and so, and by the way, some people are happy with that. No, they just not going holiday.I'm not knocking scaffolding, but so many people don't, [...0.4s] um, make the investment in themselves.And, it's like, I know there's this term that we've heard before, what fucking entrepreneur. Like, the, the people are just sort of like it, it got an idea, they want to pursue it and all the rest of it, but, [...0.6s] you know, [...0.4s] and I, I guess sometimes it's a bit of, like, paralysis by analysis.They sit there, and they think need to do this first, and it's a chicken and egg, it's a scaffolding company. Do we buy a wagon first? Yeah, and then the kit, or do we, you know, where we gonna put the kit? Well, maybe we need a yard first.Yeah, uh, it's crazy, like, when, when we start the scaffolding business, [...0.5s] I don't remember [...7.2s] the [...2.2s] story, [...6.1s] this guy who I've got to sort of, sort of this thing out to, [...0.6s] and he keeps letting me down all the rest of it. I was like, oh, okay, I said, um, what's it involved? How many hours did you need doing this?And the others, like, so many, I'm like, [...0.9s] we could have a look at that is, that is we and there was no fucking we, by the way, ha ha. At the time, it was like just as Camil Lee were doing a bit of subbing for Lee.Wasn't that your time saying fake it to you, make it, oh, yeah, 100% mate, 100% fake it to you make it.So, [...0.7s] yeah, it was like maybe we do this thing. Well, it starts in four weeks, so if you've got the gear, um, and you've got, like, you know the kind of capacity to do it, you know, crack on, you can have it.So I was like, alright, okay, so [...0.6s] Dave, first one, I've got a loan, [...0.5s] so then me and Lee are like, shit, [...0.5s] right, we've got a loan, so now we sat with 30 k, [...0.5s] uh, between us in the bank. What do we need next?What we need some um we need some kit so you know, we fucking went out there, we bought, bought a bit of, uh, bought a kit, [...0.4s] nowhere to fucking put it, [...0.4s] um, no vehicles by the way. [...1.1s]Yeah, [...0.9s] yeah, so, I mean, I'm not, by the way, anyone's watching this. [...1.4s] Anyway, um, [...0.6s] it's getting dumped this gear, 30 grams worth of kit in the middle of the council estate.And you can't, you know, can't all be dropped at once and you can't burn through 30 grams worth of kit, you know, as in putting the scaffold up [...0.6s] in [...0.5s] a, exactly in a day you've got a, [...0.7s] um, [...0.4s] you know we've got, so putting as much up as we could.It was landing on the ground, fucking spray painting it so people wouldn't steal it. Try to get some sort of marking on it, putting as much scaffling up as we possibly could. And then, [...0.4s] um, the rest of it that we couldn't put up stashing in people's gardens cause we make it leave this in the garden.Oh, what's his name? Jimmy. All right there lads, [...0.6s] no [...1.0s] one [...1.0s] will take it out of my garden yeah no one will take it out of my garden it was a it was a character oh, that whole estate was full of characters, man.Um, it was a really, really good place to work actually in the end, um, but, yeah, fuck, it's one of them, [...0.5s] um, put you [...0.8s] a hole is on the table and, and crack on with it. So [...0.9s] that's business in it, that is, that is the first thing you see, even if you're going for a run or whatever.The first, [...0.4s] the hardest step is just like moving forward, starting off. Mmm, now once you get going, you just, you just problem solving then and it, yeah, so the next one, find the next deal, find the next.It's probably, you know, that probably leads us pretty well onto the sort of, uh the mental, kind of, aspects, um, a mental health perspective. Um, obviously, we all have challenges, [...0.4s] uh, that we come up, up against in life.Um, I know life's thrown some fucking curveballs my way. Um, [...0.4s] the reason why we're having, you know, why we [...0.5s] Paul's organising this, um, this boxing event [...0.4s] is [...0.4s] to raise charity for something, raise money, sorry, for charity. Um, and a charity is very close to his, his [...0.5s] heart for, you know, very personal reasons [...0.5s] in your own words, mate. Uh, [...0.6s] what sort of LED to this.Yeah, so obviously, um, I'm from a background and I've always raised money for charities. Um, unfortunately, uh, last year we got the worst news, um, any parents could ever have to [...0.4s] perceive. Uh, that was my daughter who was, uh, 15 at the time, um, had Hodgkinson's lymphoma, a cancer.Um, she had five tumors. Um, it just shook us to the core, um, [...0.6s] pretty much, went to the doctors, went to the hospital, [...0.4s] and we never came home for six months, um six months.Yeah yeah, it's a [...0.9s] day, day, day on day off with the wife, um, while she's receiving treatment and stuff. And I, I think this is, you know, [...0.5s] the thing that most people don't think. I mean, no I'm a father, you know, I mean I've got, I've got three kids, I've got two girls.When people say, [...0.6s] you know, it doesn't bear thinking about the thought of it [...0.7s] fucking chills me, said to, you know, to the bones of, yeah, you know as a dad to have that kind of [...0.7s] news, and as you, you said, there six months [...0.6s] life doesn't, you know, the rest of the world doesn't stop, you still got bills to pay, you still got, [...0.4s] and your jobs, this, that, the other life sort of goes on around you, but you're fucking frozen in time almost I guess.Yeah, it's a, [...1.2s] that, that that that year went [...1.0s] probably that fast for us. We didn't have time to have a shit, you know, um it was just a crazy, crazy time for, for any parents.I think the worst thing was, um, when, when she lost her hair, um, for a 15 year old girl, um, to lose her hair, [...0.6s] um, and, you know, she was screaming in the bathroom in the morning. Um, the jump, jumped out, [...1.2s] you know, we were lost as parents, we lost, it was all new tools, we didn't know.I mean, you see [...0.5s] concert every day, but you don't expect one of your owns get it.So when it [...0.4s] was just a big bombshell, [...0.7s] it's fucking, you know, [...1.2s] it is all, like, knowledge your grandparents or [...1.4s] your parents are probably gonna deal with it. But if you get a phone call about your daughter, but everything after that, [...0.5s] you, you know, it's cancer. There's cancer adverts on teller.Yeah, so one on the TV programs got cancer, and you literally see it every day. Yeah, and, I mean, but going into the, into the hospital um, into the world 84, uh, like, 85 finger.Uh, [...0.4s] I remember the first walking in and [...0.5s] a, a, a picture, [...0.9s] a situation, but [...0.4s] when I walked in [...0.4s] always stick for me. Um, there was this young girl in a princess dress.Um, my head was down, obviously, I was upset, was walking onto the ward, and I just seen her pushing these two [...0.7s] trolley things, and there was, like, weeds coming off her, and she was barefoot in princess dress, and I just lifted my head up, and she was only about 3 [...0.6s] smiling away ball dad.And I just like, ugh, this is it, [...0.8s] my life. Everything's ended. And, you know, it just took me about [...0.7s] when [...0.9s] I'm a strong man and when they told me I collapsed, yeah, couldn't breathe, [...0.4s] I felt claustrophobic, I couldn't get out the room quick enough.Yeah, um, my wife, [...0.4s] I just got up, collapsed, this. And I remember I couldn't get my shoes on. And I remember this guy coming over to me and pat me on the back, saying, don't you worry, mate, I was in your shoes two weeks ago.And it inspired me to get up, yeah, [...0.6s] and, and [...0.4s] crack on. And I knew I had to be strong for my daughter and my wife and Freya as well.So, you know, it was hard for Freya, um, [...0.8s] she was left on her own, not left on her own, but, you know, so Freya's youngest one, um, [...1.0s] I think all of our mental health took a bit of a bash in that year [...0.5s] and, you know, [...0.5s] this year, now we're through it, she's in my mission. She had to have the radiotherapy as well, and she had the chemo. Um, she battered it in true warrior style like her dad.She smashed it, [...1.5s] and that's why we're doing this, the big charity do now. Here it's that Stockport counter, and we're gonna have eight fights. Uh, we got DJ live band, [...0.8s] um, I'm gonna try and raise at least 20,000 pound. Um, what we're gonna do?We're gonna get a van, go to Costco, [...0.4s] stock up tellers computers, you name it, ipads a lot, and then just block up and say, here we go.I think you forgot, I think you'll smash that target. I, I hope someone here, I mean, [...0.7s] if this, you know, this is the first episode I was like, [...0.5s] I couldn't ask for something better, because, you know, it's this is what we [...0.4s] should be doing podcasts, what we should be doing, you know, media for is getting [...0.5s] important strong messages out about mental health, yeah, and, you know, raising awareness, [...0.4s] you know, for charities [...0.5s] supporting, you know, cancer and, you know, the I think with, with cancer [...1.1s] a lot of the time you think about, you know, obviously you got you going to the poor, [...0.4s] um, person who, you know, is who's been diagnosed, the family, the extended family, your little, your little girl your youngest, [...0.4s] you know, just going through, kind of, [...1.2s] she's growing up herself.She's, you know, [...0.4s] at that age, 14, 15, you becoming a, [...0.6s] you know, a young adult. Aren't you? A young woman, and, [...0.4s] you know, to have all those hormones fine about, and everything else, and knowing that your sister's battling something, [...0.5s] you know, um fucking what a strong family, you know what I mean. What a, what a fucking top, top, uh, family got.Yeah, we, we, you know, we we, we we getting we getting there you know, still go out for, uh, scans, and stuff every six months, and stuff like that, and check UPS, and, uh, but, you know, it it, it I think we're over the battle now. Um, we've smashed it, so she's in a mission.So, [...0.6s] yeah, it's a bit. It'd be good to, um, get the gloves back on and, uh, have a, have a good scrap on the night. I'm 45, not getting any younger. I think someone's gonna get an absolute pace of this promise.His promise is this is gonna be his final, final. Alright, yeah, this final fight has been going on for last 20 years. Ha ha, this is this one song.Ah, no, you'll never let it out, you'll never let it go. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna burn the gloves I've gotta burn the gloves yeah and this is out any saying that or, [...0.6s] uh, well, if I get any more injuries, that's it, she's divorcing me, ha ha ha ha, it's almost like the Tony valley story. That is like, [...0.6s] if I get in that ring one more time, she's fucking leaving.So I'm not, I'm not telling her about my bio. So I'm just gonna cover that up in a minute with a long T-shirt ha ha ha, ha ha, oh shit, I just thought of a podcast. Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha, you need after you need it, or, like, you need to feel that competition, don't you? I just think you know fucking hell what you've been through. You're not fighting away, Zach.Someone's gonna get absolute paste, and he said, no, that's an idea, man, you don't, you don't stop hitting hard. It, it needs to rain in a bit.Yeah, yeah, me before, yeah, [...0.4s] yeah, is it, yeah, yeah, you heavy set ladder, you know what I mean. Um, and we've had a bit of a bit of a move down before, yeah, yeah, yeah I've been about of it yeah been about of it yeah um, I think I caught one on the fucking end of my nose. Like, [...0.7s] it's good to add.I think just, you know, [...1.1s] is is a strange scenario in inspiring somebody, because you're not trying to hurt each other, [...0.5s] you're not trying to rip holes out of each other.First round, sort of testing each other out, and by the end of it, it's just fucking. It's a, yeah, it bills on it. It's like, but you need that, cause you need that cause I'm so come, come a fight.Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm, I'm learning going back. I'm not boxed, [...0.8s] and it was very limited boxing experience, like, done a bit of a in the company boxing in the army, and stuff, and about, [...0.8s] um, [...0.8s] couple of bouts. But, [...0.6s] yeah, it's such a different sport from, like, BJJ, especially now.See, when I first started BJJ, I was saying before, [...0.4s] like, all they had was speed and strength and just being, like, naturally fit. I think now I'm getting more technically better at jiu jitsu, and I can slow it down a bit more, hmm, which is not help my fitness.Then I saw was I, [...0.5s] yeah, go on. I'll, I'll have a bit of boxing fighting off, but don't you think, don't you can do a bit? And then he was like, yeah, you fucking, you fitness in there mate.I was like, [...0.5s] yeah, but don't you think don't you don't let don't you think your fitness is different from BJJ to stand up boxing? I mean, grappling on the floor, we can do all day every day. I put standing up.It's tough total, isn't fitness. I mean, when I was doing the MMA, we was getting big guys coming into gym, big guys like me, you know, and uh, you felt fit [...0.5s] guys who do Marathon, running marathons every day and stuff like that. But, you know, rolling on the floor after two minutes, they were gone gassed out.Mmm, hmm, just in case, it's a total different kind of fitness. That's what I've only ever fucked about with, with, uh, well, any of it really.But I've never been to a dojo, done any of these. I'd love to get into it probably, probably will, [...0.6s] um, [...0.9s] the only, [...0.4s] the only thing you've, you, kinda, done that can compare to it is like, 1 having an actual fight, [...0.4s] um, and 2 just having a little roll rounds, you know, with your mates.You know that me and Frank had a bit of a roll [...0.4s] around in his living room, and, it's like, I think he challenges everyone.Frank he does, he's a fucking weirdo. He doesn't, [...1.3s] but I highly recommend to anybody to get into Brazil in jiu jitsu, even as a kid. You know, ask yourself now when you're having a fight, where does that always end up?Yeah, [...0.4s] yeah, it's 100%, it's on the floor, [...0.7s] you know, if you can put someone to sleep. Well, if you don't tap, then it snaps in it. [...1.8s] And if you lads imagine it if you lads imagine that forgot to tap and unfortunately it snapped, so, you know, [...0.4s] sorry sorry, mate. [...1.2s]I think that's, that's one thing you don't get from boxing. Like, in boxing [...0.8s] and boxing, it's only heavy spa, yeah, maybe once or twice a week. Yeah, and then you are feeling it.Yeah, [...0.6s] it's more of a fitness learning your skill and then spa, but in jiu jitsu [...1.3s] spa six, seven days a week, and it's full throttle in it. It's like, yeah like you say someone ain't tapping and fucking, it's snapping.Yeah, but that was just trusting get it, like, and, you know, once you [...0.4s] been in the gym for a bit, and, you know, where everyone sort of, out you can push it a bit with certain people. Other people might not like the aggression side of it. And, but everyone changed jujutsu for two reasons in it.People do it for, like, a hobby hour, [...0.4s] people do it to compete. It's finding that balance.When I first started, I was like you know, I was just fucking all over proper, like, white belt trash all over the place looking.Hmm, well then, yeah, I think I've told it. Have you progressed? Now he, he still white belt, no blue belt. Oh, there we go. He's getting nice. He's getting that, [...0.4s] ha ha ha. Um, [...0.5s] so [...0.6s] probably, like, final, final thoughts about the [...0.6s] boxing fight you've, you've got coming up.Yeah, I just think for mega, cause, um, we'll post a link close to the time. Anyone that's not [...0.4s] part 10 for every reason, but would still like to donate. Um, like I said, I'll put a pulse at, yeah, she's got raising money and, [...1.0s] yeah, mm, hmm somewhat bigger than yourself.Yeah, I think we got to go out there and win that. That's it, yeah, winning as well, yeah, that's it with an event like this. As much as it's about raising money for charity, you wanna fucking win though, you know, you're not there you're not there to take part, you're there fucking takeover, you know what I mean.You wanna, you wanna go out there with the, with the W um, since it's been fantastic, um, have a new one. I've really enjoyed having a, having a chat since the inaugural episode.It's the first one, [...0.4s] um, so we've set a benchmark down. Um, the last thing I'm gonna mention is, do you have a ringer down, sir? We do now.Yeah, oh, yeah, [...0.5s] well, we have got one. Is it Morrison a thing? Because, well, [...0.5s] go on. I'll end, I'll end with this [...0.9s] of the thousands in attendance [...1.0s] for the millions watching at home around the world. [...2.4s] Let's get ready to rumble, [...2.0s] and we're out nice home oven boys, [...2.4s] that's a rap. [...10.1s][...10.1s]
